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Post by Spode on Feb 2, 2009 3:32:52 GMT -6
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Post by Liamane on Feb 2, 2009 17:37:17 GMT -6
...What? I'm sorry, but what? Seriously? Zuko?
I can see Dev more as Sokka than Zuko. Zuko is the epitome of pale skin. I know we asked for Asian, but I think Shyamalan got the wrong idea.
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Post by Spode on Feb 2, 2009 19:34:29 GMT -6
He's the only actor now I am unsure about. The choice for Suki is good and I am going to see if I could request the episodes of "Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide" that she was in for TVwhoring. Sokka I am actually happy with. And he's right, he doesn't really need to do much to look like Sokka. Just go to the beach and work on his tan, shave his sides like Sokka, put his hair in a wolftale.
This is a warrior's wolftale.
-Sokka, The Chase
Noah and Nicola are the only two that is content with me. As nobody knows who Noah is and from a recent viewing of Deck the Halls on TVwhoring, it was a disaster because everyone went 99% into the movie and couldn't locate her. This is the same thing that happened to me when I watched the film onDemand and literally felt like I was wasting my life.
At least Jesse could act as well as look the part. He had the same facial features as Zuko did. No offensive to Dev, but he could probably just pass for season one bald Zuko. They could always make him whiter, which is probably more hard work than what Jackson needs to do. But from the side Dev just has a large nose. Looks nothing like him.
Also I have been curious as to if they will show Beach shots for the Fire Nation in Iceland. Shooting locations, Philadelphia, Greenland, Vietnam confirmed.
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Post by Beebs on Feb 2, 2009 23:28:42 GMT -6
Well, thanks God he's out... although in a recent pic of him, he seemed to be able to look the part. But this new guy, even though his recent film is all highly acclaimed and I'm sure he's a good actor, doesn't seem like a good choice either. Again, even less pale skin than Jesse, and... well, I guess he looks somewhat like Zuko, but if they've got this guy playing Zuko, that's going to make the whole racially imbalanced... again.
I mean, they watered down the water tribe casting to a completely unsuitable appearance (imo) and made Aang more Asian than he rightfully should be in comparison to the other characters. If this doesn't garner the same response that it did with Jesse from the likes of Aang Ain't White, then these people are officially racist complainers. Personally, I could care less what the racial background of the cast is, because those races don't exist in the series, but the skin tone is kind of necessary. Fire Nation people are very pale, most likely due to their constantly being in dank, mental buildings, ships, and armor. Water Tribesman are darker in contrast to that, even though this should have made Katara and Sokka stand out more in the series than the rest of the world, because it wouldn't be that hard to recognize the show's version of Eskimos. That and the fact that Zuko's scar will be so much less obvious, which was usually his most distinctive feature BECAUSE of its severity.
But meh... I don't really care at this point. My faith in the film dwindles more and more every day... but here's hoping I'm wrong.
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Post by Spode on Feb 3, 2009 2:18:57 GMT -6
Now what I would like to know is, if Rathbone is going to tan out for the role. However is he going to manage New Moon filming? Can you really handle Sokka and Jasper at the same time when it probably takes longer to become white again? I suppose Twilight could just make him paler again with make up, it's not like they give a crap about their vampires looking vampirey.
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Post by Black Angel on Feb 3, 2009 22:07:19 GMT -6
Um, actually there's supposed to be a actor law that states that actors can only work only on one movie at a time. Well, i'm not quite sure about the validity of the law, if it even exists, and if it's true, then Rathbone can't work on New Moon if he is going for the Avatar movie. -_-;
Like I said, I don't know if it's true or not but i'm going to put in my two cents anyways.
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Post by Spode on Feb 12, 2009 16:29:39 GMT -6
lol Laws.
Aang Ain't White (horrible choose for a name) supports Dev Patel.
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Post by Beebs on Feb 12, 2009 23:16:49 GMT -6
Well there you go, they're complete and total hypocrites.
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Post by Liamane on Feb 12, 2009 23:34:59 GMT -6
Liamane does not support Dev Patel. Why? Two reasons: 1. Dev's appearance cannot, in any way, resemble Zuko's. If you can prove how he can, give me a call. And 2. Dev's depiction of Zuko may, in fact, be a riot for racist audiences. Think about it. Dev Patel is the only colored cast member thus far, and for someone playing a villian for the majority of the series, what will this instill in young children? The heros, an all white group, are being pursued by this evil, Indian bad guy for the entire movie. It's bad enough prejudice runs rampant in the world. Oh my, I truly love this article. It just exemplifies the ignorance of the crew on this movie. media.www.dailypennsylvanian.com/media/storage/paper882/news/2009/01/29/Opinion/Lisa-Zhu.A.last.Straw.For.Ignorance-3602512.shtmlUh... huh. |
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Post by Beebs on Feb 13, 2009 16:25:28 GMT -6
The casting guys is pretty idiotic, but if the movie's going to be so diverse, then I don't see the problem in what was done... what's so offensive about asking people to come in in traditional, ethnic clothing, that ancestors wore? There's not anything unreasonable about that....
And are people forgetting that coming from a certain culture doesn't constantly mean that they look like the epitome of that culture's general features...?
I'm disappointed with the actors themselves, I don't really care about their race. Maybe the choice in Katara and Sokka was part of the movie's direction, so they might not even go with Inuit culture at all... which would be pretty weird and idiotic. Best bet: they were cast to bring in fans... they're using them as a tool to market the movie to American children who are obsessed with Disney, Twilight, and teen celebrities. You shouldn't expect anything less from Viacom.
In general:
It's just as racist to be concerned if a conceptualized character should be a certain race. It's promoting racial separation if you think children need a certain racial character to be satisfied. It's just another way of promoting that people should be divided into categories, instead of universally accepted as equal. So, no, not every character should be a certain race, and the race shouldn't matter in settings that have ethnic diversity.
Children, which are the series' target audience, are not "colorblind," but unless taught to think that a certain race superior or inferior, then they most likely not care what race the character is. Is not the way it should be? Having a wide variety of races as protagonists should be a goal, and it is good and healthy for children to have someone to identify with through gender and race, but that's not to say they can't get the same thing with another race. It's quite possible a child identifies more with a character because of their interests and personality, not just their race or gender... and odds are a child won't identify with a character that is their own race, but is not likable to them. Promoting that children should identify with a specific racial character would just confuse a child into thinking that they should only like characters of their own race... and the goal should be that children should be able to look past race, but not ignoring the fact that they are a specific race, without it affecting their view of the character or series.
BIG HOWEVER...
As for Avatar, Asia does not exist within it, so saying the whole cast should be Asian, as some do, is ridiculous. Logically and scientifically, people in different parts of the world naturally will have similar skin tones and features. So the Water Tribe will obviously be very different from the Earth Kingdom, so on and so forth. But, because Earth preconceptions don't exist, then each region can be whatever race, and it doesn't matter. However, there does need to be a visible difference in characters of each Nation, because that's how development in nature works when people are indigenous to specific areas.
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Post by Liamane on Feb 15, 2009 9:49:24 GMT -6
I can understand if the cast is to be ethnically diverse, that might make a bit more sense. The ethnical canvas needs a bit more splash of color, so to speak. But, yes, I agree, Shyamalan's choice of actors was simply to attract children to his film, but by doing such, he's almost stabbed the actual concept of "Avatar: The Last Airbender" into its side.
On the whole, Zuko is not dark tan, so by Shyamalan's choice of his actor, I feel as though the entirety of Avatar will be slurred. What's the point of making a live action film off of a series if all you do is change it as you please?
Honestly, I can see Patel playing Sokka and Rathborne playing Zuko, and too bad for Peltz, because I'm pretty sure that they can find a darker skinned teenager to assume Katara's role. That at least makes more sense in the midst of this rut.
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Post by Beebs on Feb 16, 2009 18:43:25 GMT -6
They'll probably make her tan... in which case, she'd look fairly like Katara, so it could turn out to be a good choice. *shrugs*
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Post by Liamane on Feb 20, 2009 15:52:38 GMT -6
Dude, this chick is so white, she's glowing.  I don't think a tan is going to help her persuade fans. :\ EDIT::Entertainment Weekly reveals Jesse McCartney will still be receiving full pay for his brief work and training. Ugh. |
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Post by Beebs on Mar 6, 2009 20:15:32 GMT -6
I have a lot of faith in Dev after seeing Slumdog. He's a great actor, and in terms of acting range he can be very kind while still remaining slightly dangerous in his exterior. He'll be a wonderful Zuko, if everyone could let themselves get past the race issue.
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Post by Spode on Mar 7, 2009 20:46:02 GMT -6
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Post by Liamane on Mar 7, 2009 21:04:16 GMT -6
*snark* Wow, that's actually pretty funny.
Anyway, tally ho, I'm still iffy on Dev playing Zuko, but then again, I've yet to see his performance in Slumdog. I don't know, I still feel a Korean or Chinese actor would've done well playing him, if only to depict him more faithfully to the series. Meh, I suppose it's this mindset of mine that really questions my opinion on Dev.
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Post by Spode on Mar 7, 2009 21:36:47 GMT -6
Dante Basco is the only other alternative to Zuko, but then we still run into the problem of him being too dark.
Also what really pisses me off is that they are considering a Korean/Chinese actor for Zhao. At least get Jason Issacs and then cast a Koren/Chinese actor for Iroh.
Issacs is the perfect actor for the part and should have been considered long before the movie started.
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Post by Liamane on Mar 7, 2009 22:07:39 GMT -6
Korean actor for Iroh? Er, Iroh and Zuko are related by blood, so how would that work out? I wouldn't mind Jason Isaacs playing Zhao, but I'm thinking an Asian dude wouldn't be a bad idea. Zhao's got some pretty squinty eyes after all.
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Post by Spode on Mar 7, 2009 22:42:08 GMT -6
Wait what?  I doubt they'd cast an Indian for Iroh. Patel just got the role because Shyamalan popped a boner during Slumdog Millionaire. |
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Post by Beebs on Mar 8, 2009 0:06:20 GMT -6
You're fecking retarded. If you're going to be stupid, don't post.
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I doubt they'd cast an Indian for Iroh. Patel just got the role because Shyamalan popped a boner during Slumdog Millionaire.